PLENARY 4/20 LOG - 5


Mark says, "again, if (when) we get these news toys, the question becomes 
how much does the medium change the thing we think we're teaching?" 

pasta says, " But what will this type of learning do--meaning how will it 
encourage students to think about concepts like "here and there" -- basic 
stuff like that"

Mark says, "and has anyone looked at the cd-rom companion to the Woo 
anthology?" 

pasta says,  no, have you?"

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Curran says, "testing"

RobertC says, "has anyone noticed their print has gone red?" 

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Curran says, "I don't really think that a picture of the Wye valley is 
going to change my reading of TA"

MichaelO says, "Would any pictures be of any interest in order to read a 
poem?" waiting

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bro says, "Memisis is a problem, however it does raise the question of 
representation, tropes and the materiality of the poem or place." 

pasta says, " but could a picture change your *teaching* of TA. As our 
students are more and more image-centered, the images can do more and 
more as an intro into poems, etc."

Curran says, "My point is that there must be a difference between 
hypmedia and simple illustration."

Mark says, "and the picture, by itself, doesn't change much, but a 
hypertext like your Frankenstein certainly changes our material 
relationship with the texts, and our reading strategies. That must have 
some pretty serious consequences down the line?" 

Curran says, "Yes, indeed, and the more the merrier--that is to say, it 
is exactly the multiplicity of deatail/image that makes the difference." 


bro says, "think of Wordsworth's guide to the lake district which came 
out with pictures. How is this a representation of the beautiful and the 
sublime. We could have students work on this way of seeing image & text." 


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RobertC says, "Isn't it part of the point of Tintern Abbey that it is 
_not_ about the abbey? I think that decanonization is inevitable once you 
get on the Web."

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Carole says, " but what does the multiplicty of detail do to categories 
like "literature" which may be outdated but which provided the original 
defining impluse behind the formation of English studies--what do we 
teach now that is content based and not necessarily skills based (ability 
to analyze, etc.)"

MichaelO says, "one good thing about the Web and the canon is that one 
should no longer feel pressurised by one's publisher to include a certain 
number of 'canonical' poems"
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Mark says, "here's another slightly different take on the same 
question.." 

Curran says, "I don't have much to say about this: I don't think WW is 
really writing about the Lakes cvery much--more about hsi past, his mind, 
etc."

RobertC says, "There is a problem if you want to write on non-canonical 
novels, however."

Mark says, "If we agree that we constitute ourselves against some other- 
an environment, a person, a book as Woolf and Wordsworth both point out- 
what sort of subject position do we adopt when the "other" is as 
dissembodied and amorphous as a hypertext? Again, I'm thinking of Liu's 
talk here" waiting

Curran says, "MArk--did anyone notice how different was the MOO 
environment from the URLs oin the keynotes--the text almost disappeared 
before the illustration thereof."

MichaelO says, "aren't we supposed to become a _we_ when taking part in 
the WWW experience? Thus displacing the question of subject position 
somehow." waiting

Curran says, "We are not only we, but, as it were, a couple of wes"" 

Carole says, " Or, is a contained notion of oneself as subject the 
inevitable defensive result of the Web's/hypertext's amorphousness?" 

Mark says, "That's an an unsettling concept- a couple of we's" waiting

Curran says, "I mean by that that the subject position is ievitably 
dislocated, two minds operating simultaneously--liek the MOO and the URL 
illustration."
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Mark says, "and as you point out, the disjunctions and interference we 
are facing now, in this environment, illustrates that multiple we idea- 
we're not paying attention, overtly, to lots of lages and difficulties 
making this conversation work"